Showing posts with label Names. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Names. Show all posts

Monday, September 14, 2020

When the name is not the same - 52 Ancestors challenge

This is a prompt from 52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks and is run by Amy Johnson Crow.

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 Do you share your name with an ancestor? What about a name that keeps repeating itself in your family tree? Do you have an instance of ancestors naming two children the same? (It happened more often than you might expect!)

I've found that while we have had people who were named for someone else's memory or named after one of their parents, we didn't have much of children, at the same level, named the same by the same parents. I know it was done, but it didn't seem like my ancestors followed that idea. 

Instead we followed name a child is named after the parent method. It happened many times over the years. 

My father Matthew was named after his father. His father was named Mathias, but he translated it to Matthew after arriving from Germany. My father's known by a few different names - Matt or Gerry/Jerry which is after his middle name. Of course, my mother had several other not so nice names for him as well, but we won't go there. 

My grandfather, Mathias' picture taken for Naturalization. Then he started to go by Matthew.

My brother, Charlie, named his son after himself. The rest of the family took to calling my brother Charlie, or Chucky (like in the Child's Play movies). My nephew, his son, we took to calling him CJ which is short for Charles Jr. My brother, before his passing, either called my nephew Junior or Charles, which just sounds weird to me. 

My sister law, Kathy, CJ and Charlie. 

Then you have my second eldest sister, Jean's, child. She named him after his father, Tommy. Once again we had Tommy, my brother in law, and TJ, short for Thomas Jr, for my nephew. 

Tommy and TJ in 1980 at my father's house in Newburgh, NY

Then you have me. I was a surprise to my parents. Due to this fact, they did a bet for my name but either way I was going to be named after one of them. If it was a girl it/I was to be named after my mother. If it/I was a boy was to be named after my father. I'm a girl, so named Jo Ann after my mother Jo Ann. Talk about a huge set of headaches there because people don't realize which one of us it is. Its affected everything from who I was when I tried to get a passport/visa to come to Australia to get married to my credit rating, to who is listed against certain addresses all over the place. I left the US over 20 years ago and I'm still dealing with it. Then there is the whole spelling thing which gets old...

Mom and I

My niece, Jessy did it with her son too. She was married to a guy named Ron. When they had their first child, a boy, they named him Ron Jr, so he was then called RJ. I told you it was a tradition...

RJ and Ron during Easter in 2011.

There there was my maternal grandfather, Louis. He was named after his father's cousin Louis Van Rompaye, who he was very close to. They made a few trips back and forth to Belgium after settling into NY. In fact, they most certainly spoke quite often because one was a dairy farmer and one - for a while before branching out - transported milk from the area farms to supermarkets all over NY and then later the US. 
Louis Van Rompaye at his company in Chester NY. Credit 

Credit: Middletown Daily Times Aug 11 1936 - Julius Gauquie coming back home from Belgium 

My maternal grandfather's middle name was Paul, after, I think, his mother's father, who died in Denmark. I found this information out on her passport application in 1924. 

Credit: US Immigration Services

My great grandmother Annie Gauquie. Credit: US Immigration Services


Then when my maternal grandparents, Janet and Louis, had an oldest son, Louis, after his father. However, they did change the middle names. His father's middle name was Paul, but they put their child's middle name was Julius which was after my grandfather's father - Jules Gauquie. This is really interesting as Jules kicked my grandfather Louis off of the farm when he was 15 years old. 

His entry is the one highlighted in yellow. Credit

What's even more interesting is when my Uncle Louis had a child, they named him Louis as well. Once again, they changed my cousin's middle name too. This time from Jules to Michael - Louis Michael. In fact, on pictures they named him as Louis III. I wonder if they were trying to channel Henry the 8th of England...just my attempt at some humor.

Uncle Louis and his son Louis (called III on back of picture) Credit: J. Gauquie

This stopped when Louis Michael had a child and they went away from the naming sequence by naming him Vincent. 


On my mother's side, there have been several people named after others. I'll just put a list of just some below because there have been MANY. 

My Uncle James Joseph was supposed to be named Joseph I think he said. However, somehow it was mixed up and he is known as James or Jimmy. This was a nod to one of his uncles but I can't remember which one. 

Florence Gauquie Sherman (my great aunt) was named after her grandmother Florentia Gauquie who died in Belgium before the family left for the US. 

Mary Ann Gauquie (my great aunt) had her mother's name, Annie, for a middle name. 

Alice Ann Gauquie (my great aunt) had her mother's name, Annie, for a middle name like her sister. 

James Peter Gauquie (my great uncle) had was named after another relative which I can't figure out - maybe after my great grand uncle's child? 

Charles E gauquie (my great uncle) was named after his uncle Charles Gauquie (born 1876 died 1952) or maybe my  4th great-uncle Charles Gauquie (born about 1823)? 

I think the many Theresa's or Therese's can be traced back to our 5th Great Aunt Marie Therese Gauquie who lived for just a month in 1808 or it could be for our 4th great-grandmother Joanna Theresia Vandendriessche. 

Religious Names
We have had where some names have been after Catholic saints as well. 

For instance, my sister, Theresa, has a middle name of Mary after Jesus' mother, Mary. 

Another example is 6th great-grandfather, Jean Baptiste Gauquie (born about 1723 - died Jan 1772). He was named after the saint - John the Baptist as they were and are Roman Catholics. 

One of Jean Baptiste's sons was named Jacobus Josephus which I believe was for Flavius ​​Josephus and who was named for Saint Joseph from the New Testament in the bible.
Jean Baptiste  Credit

Yes, we were very good Roman Catholics at one time and some still are.

Where did my name Jo Ann/Joanne come from?
In fact, I always wanted to know where on earth they came up with my first name - Jo Ann. My mother always told me it was her first and middle names jammed together. Wrong. Her birth certificate has her name as Joanne and not Joan Ann as she always told me. 

So I wanted to see if I could connect the name to any of the family. The first instance of the name I could find was my 4th great-grandmother, Joanna Theresia Vandendriessche, who lived from 1796 and died in 1866 in  Boezinge, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium. 

I found it comforting the name came from some place rather than a made up one. 

Sunday, January 13, 2019

Ancestors in 52 Weeks - Unusual Name

This year's challenge is 52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks and is run by Amy Johnson Crow.

I'm all set it write as I've got my hot tea and tonight's encouragement and treat for writing is homemade cinnamon rolls which should be interesting to write without getting the icing all over the place.

Anyhow, this week's prompt is unusual name which, once again, leaves you to interpret it how you want. Many of us can go back to Europe and how difficult it is. However, when you have a last name that comes from about the middle of Europe and eastward then things get seriously bad with the names and their spellings. I'm not talking about the majority of first names, I'm talking last names or surnames. This I can count the ways due to the different languages and dialects.

You have various spellings depending on who was in charge of the area they were in even. However, I'm just going to concentrate of the names of migrants in this post.

Please note the names attached below are from various documents for copyright (even though most of these are past copyright). If you have a question regarding what document its from please contact me using the comments section below and give a detailed description regarding which one you are querying.

Poland & Its Existence
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On both maternal and paternal sides I have Polish and they both happen to be Polish Russian.

What's the difference between Polish and Polish Russian? It put it simply is nothing other than the Polish Russian is back before 1919 when Poland didn't exist so they had the parts which were split up
between Russia, Austria and Germany. The migrants listed themselves in different ways sometimes it was Polish and sometimes it was listed as Russian/Austrian/Germany Polish because of Poland being split up for 123 years.

These are various last names or surnames: Wojtowski/Wojtowska, Slepowronska/Slepowronski, Ostrzycki, Rutkowski, Wyrzykowski, Zakrzewska, Kurpieski, Jagodzinski, Jagodzinska, Jagodrinski, Jagodrinska, Berry, Barry and I'm sure there are many more out there! 
  
Now let's count the ways of just the names of my migrated ancestors from this area...I'm only going to pick a few examples or else I'd be here all day with these!

Various spellings:
Maternal:



















Various spellings:
Paternal:



























Germany
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My paternal grandfather was born and raised in Germany which is where he migrated from in the 1920s. However, the many problem wasn't the spelling of the name, it was it is equal to the Smith and Jones names in the United States unfortunately.

The name he migrated with was Mathias Schmitz. Then he Americanized it a bit to Matthew Schmitz.

However, over the years, even though its a very common last name, I've still had it spelled wrong on me.

Other last names: Klepperich and I'm sure there are many more out there!   I have only done a tiny bit of research in this area.


Various spellings:














Belgium
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My maternal great grandfather migrated to the US in the late 1800s. Even so, people still have problems with the name. I have to admit it sounds very French when you say it how the Americans do (Gay-quey), but I've found that in Belgium, where my ancestors are from it say it differently (Gook-key) but is spelled Gauquie.


Taken from website
We've been in Belgium since the early 1700s which I've found, but the area they lived in Belgium was right on the border with France which has me thinking back even earlier is when we had family in France and the reasons for going to Belgium, or within France depending on when they went,  might have been due to many factors like political, social and economic tension made worse by religious division which many rules had problems with during this time.

I do know we have had family in France due to the one famous sculptor (right), but I haven't figured out how we were related - yet.

My 2x great grandfather, before he changed it in the 1890s, had a very unusual name including the last name - Aloyis H Gauquie. No wonder he changed it to Charles.

My great grandfather, the son of Aloyis, had an unusual name as well. He was born Joannes Julius Van Rompaye or Van Rompaey due to his being illigitemate. Once Aloyis knew about him and married Joannes Julius' mother, Florentina or Florentyna, He was then named a Gauquie. Its was only my research that found he was born under his mother's maiden last name when I started my research many years ago.

Other last names are: Verbert, VanThyghem, Verbaeghe, Verhaeghe, Verstrepen, Naets, Loones,  Gysen, Depoorter  and I'm sure there are many more out there! 

I'm only going to pick a few examples or else I'd be here all day with these!

Various spellings:














My Own Unusual Name
I was born as Jo Ann Janet after my mother and maternal grandmother. When my parents discovered my mother was pregnant with me, they made a bet - if its a girl then its to be named after my mother. A boy would be named after my father. Congratulations its a girl!

So I was named after my mother. However, then you have the whole discussion when there's a call or mail as to who its for... Make the wrong move and the person starts giving to the other person private information. It was so annoying to be frank.

Anyhow, growing up, I was told over and over again that my mother's name was Joan Ann and she smashed the two names together, because she didn't like the first name of Joan, to get the Jo Ann which sounds plausible and I was ok with that.

However, when my sister had to put my mother in a nursing home about 2 years ago, she needed her birth certificate. My sister found her birth certificate which was drawn up after she was married. The first thing is the certificate had her a year older and doesn't have any parent information on it. It also has a different name to those we knew about - Joanna. Now I know her formal grandfather's name Joannes (as you can see by some of the names inserted above) I wonder if they put the name into female format and Americanized it to Joanna? Its a possibility...















Then when they get tired of trying to spell names there's always this: 

Also, I had the complication of the maiden name of Schmitz, which I've covered above.

As you can see, unusual names they have come from all over. It could be for many reasons why they have them and changed them. However, we only get one birth name, which is why when I my filing of my documents, I use this name followed in parentheses with the married names.

My file folders for printed information


My file folders for electronic information